Ulrich Jailed; CTT Gone Sour
-Sigh.- The one thing to break my focus going into leveling. A speeding, ksing ass.
Even worse, a good guild going bad.
CTT is quickly turning into KOL, only worse. KOL has always been packed with speeders, ksers, scammers, and whatever else, but Tone's been trying hard to keep them out, and for that, KOL has a reviving feature. But when Whoops and Steeldimond downloaded their speeders a month or so ago, Medusa said nothing, though she had once commented to me to tell her if any of her guildies are speeding, cheating or whatever else.
Both, thankfully, quit on their own, and continued down the path of a decent guild.
Only recently, a week ago or so, Whoops has that speeder back. Medusa was immediately notified, by myself, Berdy, and reportedly Tonedeff, and well, nothing has been done. He's even taken to ksing now.
But one person can't turn a guild sour. Members like Terriegirl, Silentscorpi, and Ragenevy are this guilds saviors right now. Medusa, you need to turn this guild around. I earlier saw a member trying to play drop wars. I've sent all the pms I could, and you said you'd report me for harassment. So now I have to head public.
CTT's going down the drain in the popularity section, and I've even heard member complaints, and gotten occasional hints at as many as 5 key members growing weary, and preparing to possibly leave.
Please Medusa, listen. We're not out to hurt you or your guild. We're not trying to tell you how to run your guild. We're asking that you stop a good guild from becoming a bad one.
Ulrich jailed.
The first pm I recieved when I came home from vacation was from Ulrich, then another from Amy. Apparently, Ulrich has been jailed unjustly by Arvid.
Here's the story, from what facts I've gathered:
A religous debate developed on global, developing from small religous comments. As in any other global debate, Tunkz and Ulrich were present. Mtcrowly made a comment about how the Virgin Mary had a child if she didn't have sex.
I believe it was Arvid who hinted at technology.
B;ah, who cares. A bunch of stupid comments go on, Arvid and the rest against Ulrich. It seems like Arvid wasn't being serious enough, and Ulrich a bit too much. Ulrich turned to, I believe,m bashing Tunkz and Arvid, and was eventually jailed.
Which brings something into question. Are the admins corrupt?
I'm tired of it.
THE ADMINS ARE TEENAGERS GOD YES THEY ARE CORRUPT. What people want is a boring, word for word admin who lives by the ToS, though they constantly complain when Vult does this. Arvid is a great admin, and moderator. He is a necessary part of the... mostly nonexistant EO moderation team. He seems to be the only real moderator, though I'm glad to see when other admins get online. His tactis are slightly biased towards himself, but this allows people that normally wouldn't be looked at to be jailed. The other moderators, if they existed, could easily go back, investigate, and release innocents. But the admins are too busy for that. WE NEED MODERATORS. MODERATORS DAMMIT.
Vult, screw new maps, and cheat protections, new items and bosses, new features. Focus 5 new version on it if you have to. MODERATION. I have alot of people who would do great as admins, They are trustable, and have most, if not all of the traits to be a great moderator, fair and just, as well as loyal, listed in the order best candidate to worse.
Ephy - GOD MAKE EPHY A FREAKING ADMIN THIS GUY WOULD DO A BETTER JOB THAN EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE COMBINED!!!!!!
Nehalem - He's a very kindhearted guy, but can get tough if necessary. He's very intelligent and reminds me ALOT of Ephy.
Mansun - Mansun has all the things the above two have, only a lack of time. He always seems to be busy, and I don't know if he'd like a job like that.
Espii - Yea, myself. I'd be a very strict, tough ass admin, alot like a second Arvid. I'd always be fair, probably UNLIKE Arvid, and have more time than anyone else I know.
I feel like I'll recieve alot of bashing for this one... And I'll even say, I question myself for it...
Berdy - Berdy has used cheats, and isn't all that kind hearted to anyone not his friend. But his knowledge of the cheating community could be a VERY valuable tool for moderation. The biggest problem: I could definitely see Berdy being biased. A very questionable condidate that should be CLOSELY watched if chosen. Sorry if I've offended you Berdy. xD
I've heard alot about Rashaln. Never met him once, and have no idea who he is. Everyone's told me he'd make a great admin.
Nezlo - Nezlo would be a very fair, and pretty strict admin. The biggest problem with Nezlo: Would he even want to be an admin? And could he do so without growing weary of the job?
These candidates are right off the top of my head. With Arvid, the other admins with light participation, and maybe 4 Moderators, Vult and the others would be able to relax and take their time. Vult could focus on programming ways to stop the current cheats, while the moderators not only keep the peace in EO, but serve as eyes and ears for Vult.
I've heard Vult's reasons for not recruiting admins. And I'm here to present my arguments to that.
He wishes to solve the problems of the game via programming.
ANY and EVERY game, no matter how great the programming, needs moderators. Glitches happen, people need help, harassment is not blockable via programming. I can go on and on. We need to get these moderators in action, and they need experience before Beta comes. You need to know they can do the job, do it right, and know they're GOOD at doing the job.
We need cheaters to find and exploit these glitches, so they'll be fixed.
True. Very true, as well as logical thinking. You need those cheaters in this game, but you also don't need to let those cheaters drive the good people away. Many of the most respected players are getting tired of all the cheating. And many are leaving the game because of that. As far as keeping cheaters to find bugs: No programming, and no moderation will stop every hacker, harasser, bug exploiter, and cheater in this game. It will take a combination of both, and until we have both at 100%, we won't stop them all. Besides, go to Test. Test lacks any rules, and is filled with cheaters. Using the Test Server for such a thing would put the point back into it.
Vult doesn't trust anyone enough.
Very simple. Ephy is definitely, indisputably trustable. Mansun and Nehalem, I know them both well, but I will not stake a 100% loyalty on them, though I believe they'd be great. So Vult has to take risks. If any admins cause problems, delete and rollback. Simple and done. Give the admins a test session, to make saure they're capable of what they're doing. Moderators are best hired in Alpha than Beta or after.
I can tell by the lag this has been a long post, so I'll stop now. Any arguments, suggestions, support, or whatever should be left as comments.
Any close friends of Vult, if you think it's worth it, refer him to this post. Also, beat him with a stick and make him comment. All admins are more than welcome to comment, and I'd appreciate it if you did. You don't need a blogger account to comment. It let's you post anonimously. Just use your name. =]
Even worse, a good guild going bad.
CTT is quickly turning into KOL, only worse. KOL has always been packed with speeders, ksers, scammers, and whatever else, but Tone's been trying hard to keep them out, and for that, KOL has a reviving feature. But when Whoops and Steeldimond downloaded their speeders a month or so ago, Medusa said nothing, though she had once commented to me to tell her if any of her guildies are speeding, cheating or whatever else.
Both, thankfully, quit on their own, and continued down the path of a decent guild.
Only recently, a week ago or so, Whoops has that speeder back. Medusa was immediately notified, by myself, Berdy, and reportedly Tonedeff, and well, nothing has been done. He's even taken to ksing now.
But one person can't turn a guild sour. Members like Terriegirl, Silentscorpi, and Ragenevy are this guilds saviors right now. Medusa, you need to turn this guild around. I earlier saw a member trying to play drop wars. I've sent all the pms I could, and you said you'd report me for harassment. So now I have to head public.
CTT's going down the drain in the popularity section, and I've even heard member complaints, and gotten occasional hints at as many as 5 key members growing weary, and preparing to possibly leave.
Please Medusa, listen. We're not out to hurt you or your guild. We're not trying to tell you how to run your guild. We're asking that you stop a good guild from becoming a bad one.
Ulrich jailed.
The first pm I recieved when I came home from vacation was from Ulrich, then another from Amy. Apparently, Ulrich has been jailed unjustly by Arvid.
Here's the story, from what facts I've gathered:
A religous debate developed on global, developing from small religous comments. As in any other global debate, Tunkz and Ulrich were present. Mtcrowly made a comment about how the Virgin Mary had a child if she didn't have sex.
I believe it was Arvid who hinted at technology.
B;ah, who cares. A bunch of stupid comments go on, Arvid and the rest against Ulrich. It seems like Arvid wasn't being serious enough, and Ulrich a bit too much. Ulrich turned to, I believe,m bashing Tunkz and Arvid, and was eventually jailed.
Which brings something into question. Are the admins corrupt?
I'm tired of it.
THE ADMINS ARE TEENAGERS GOD YES THEY ARE CORRUPT. What people want is a boring, word for word admin who lives by the ToS, though they constantly complain when Vult does this. Arvid is a great admin, and moderator. He is a necessary part of the... mostly nonexistant EO moderation team. He seems to be the only real moderator, though I'm glad to see when other admins get online. His tactis are slightly biased towards himself, but this allows people that normally wouldn't be looked at to be jailed. The other moderators, if they existed, could easily go back, investigate, and release innocents. But the admins are too busy for that. WE NEED MODERATORS. MODERATORS DAMMIT.
Vult, screw new maps, and cheat protections, new items and bosses, new features. Focus 5 new version on it if you have to. MODERATION. I have alot of people who would do great as admins, They are trustable, and have most, if not all of the traits to be a great moderator, fair and just, as well as loyal, listed in the order best candidate to worse.
Ephy - GOD MAKE EPHY A FREAKING ADMIN THIS GUY WOULD DO A BETTER JOB THAN EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE COMBINED!!!!!!
Nehalem - He's a very kindhearted guy, but can get tough if necessary. He's very intelligent and reminds me ALOT of Ephy.
Mansun - Mansun has all the things the above two have, only a lack of time. He always seems to be busy, and I don't know if he'd like a job like that.
Espii - Yea, myself. I'd be a very strict, tough ass admin, alot like a second Arvid. I'd always be fair, probably UNLIKE Arvid, and have more time than anyone else I know.
I feel like I'll recieve alot of bashing for this one... And I'll even say, I question myself for it...
Berdy - Berdy has used cheats, and isn't all that kind hearted to anyone not his friend. But his knowledge of the cheating community could be a VERY valuable tool for moderation. The biggest problem: I could definitely see Berdy being biased. A very questionable condidate that should be CLOSELY watched if chosen. Sorry if I've offended you Berdy. xD
I've heard alot about Rashaln. Never met him once, and have no idea who he is. Everyone's told me he'd make a great admin.
Nezlo - Nezlo would be a very fair, and pretty strict admin. The biggest problem with Nezlo: Would he even want to be an admin? And could he do so without growing weary of the job?
These candidates are right off the top of my head. With Arvid, the other admins with light participation, and maybe 4 Moderators, Vult and the others would be able to relax and take their time. Vult could focus on programming ways to stop the current cheats, while the moderators not only keep the peace in EO, but serve as eyes and ears for Vult.
I've heard Vult's reasons for not recruiting admins. And I'm here to present my arguments to that.
He wishes to solve the problems of the game via programming.
ANY and EVERY game, no matter how great the programming, needs moderators. Glitches happen, people need help, harassment is not blockable via programming. I can go on and on. We need to get these moderators in action, and they need experience before Beta comes. You need to know they can do the job, do it right, and know they're GOOD at doing the job.
We need cheaters to find and exploit these glitches, so they'll be fixed.
True. Very true, as well as logical thinking. You need those cheaters in this game, but you also don't need to let those cheaters drive the good people away. Many of the most respected players are getting tired of all the cheating. And many are leaving the game because of that. As far as keeping cheaters to find bugs: No programming, and no moderation will stop every hacker, harasser, bug exploiter, and cheater in this game. It will take a combination of both, and until we have both at 100%, we won't stop them all. Besides, go to Test. Test lacks any rules, and is filled with cheaters. Using the Test Server for such a thing would put the point back into it.
Vult doesn't trust anyone enough.
Very simple. Ephy is definitely, indisputably trustable. Mansun and Nehalem, I know them both well, but I will not stake a 100% loyalty on them, though I believe they'd be great. So Vult has to take risks. If any admins cause problems, delete and rollback. Simple and done. Give the admins a test session, to make saure they're capable of what they're doing. Moderators are best hired in Alpha than Beta or after.
I can tell by the lag this has been a long post, so I'll stop now. Any arguments, suggestions, support, or whatever should be left as comments.
Any close friends of Vult, if you think it's worth it, refer him to this post. Also, beat him with a stick and make him comment. All admins are more than welcome to comment, and I'd appreciate it if you did. You don't need a blogger account to comment. It let's you post anonimously. Just use your name. =]
28 Comments:
I agree, moderation is needed.
Although I can't vouch for people like you did I agree that what I have heard of and taken from conversations with Ephy that he is a suitable candidate for a moderating position.
Thanks for your comment on my blog by the way, feel free to link me if you want to (lol)
I believe Ulrich was one of those who decided to insult Kamileah on global about her religious beliefs. If he was jailed for that, then yay.
As for Vult hiring trustworthy people, it's down to who HE trusts. And as far as I know, there's only two regular players he trusts enough. Those are Rashaln and DF. Rashaln as you said would be great, but isn't much of a people person (and new admin will be undoubtedly the centre of attention). DF would be great.
WELL THEN GET DF! GET A FREAKIN GOAT OR OCTO OR A HELL GUARDIAN! GET SOMEBODY! O________________O
Hmm, I agree Rashaln would make a good one and DF seems like a decent guy as well.
Yes of course there are others, Me?
Admin no, Light guide yes.
Ephy, I did not bash Kami's beliefs. I stated clearly that that was not my intention. She is my friend, and I respect her beliefs. All I simply did was deduct fact from fiction. I came from a fundamental point of view. I belief in God, but not "organized" religion, considering Christianity is far too controversial. I have "some" spiritual beliefs, but most are of the scientific concept for validating a siuation accordingly. The modern age is realism at best. But enough of such Philosophy...
As for incorporating new inidividuals into the Admin heiarchy, yes, I believe Espii and Rashaln. I'm not sure about Ephy. I know very little about him, ironic even that it's been since V15. A very enigmatic character. I'll have to analyze him more before I make my verdict, although it matters not.
Espii, No offence girl but um, Too much coffie? Good lord, Your going to drive yourself insane for a game, If you haven't already.
Trust me, Its not going to be worth it at all :/
Get a small band of Hell Guardians as admins. That would be very effective. Instead of them hitting for HP, they hit for EXP. How's that for punishment?
Berdy for admin? What the hell is wrong with you?! You lost my vote now.
IN FACT! None of those people should be moderators... ever! Since this is just an Alpha game don't expect moderation to be a key issue.
And... uhh.. I told you so about CTT! Just an ass kisser guild... all a bunch of tools for Medusa and they dont realize it.
Only Nehalem would be good at anything dealing with moderation of the game.
Why in the world would you put Berdy in that list, maybe Greedywolf is right about you sucking up?
Uhh, no offence..Berdy has his crew and all, but if he was admin, I can promise you Eo WILL lose about let see.. *counts* 85% of its popular/high lvled players.. Berdy would jail anyone in his way of doing or getting something he needs.. Medusa gets 1 exp, he would jail her and kasume so they wouldnt lvl up and pass deb.. Sorry but Nah.. Totally not gonna agree..
Well i wouldn't think Berdy would be a bad admin, but he has a short temper and it would cause some problems.
High leveled players or players who like to level WOULD NOT be good admins they would ignore their job for leveling.
Rexor said WickedFrost is most likely going to be a light guide and a few others, i have screenies on my blog if you want to see.
Keep on leveling Espii, i'll know you'll move up fast.
But i'd have to tell you once you start getting 300k+ tnl every level it starts to wear you down i had 422k for level 33 and hell i don't feel like getting it. ^^
Good luck. :P <3
I already said Berdy would be problematic. =/ And Aiixo, what reason do I have to suck up? I've mentioned before that I dislike him more than I like him. What a suck up I am.
Only thing I have to say about Wikky, God no. Wikky's cool, but I highly doubt he'd ever put forth effort.
Wicked's said repeatedly in the past that he's not interesed in a imple light guide role.
The only way I can see him becoming part of the admin team is if he was asked to map, because the one thing he wants more than anything is the maps doubled.
I think he wants to help the game more than just jailing idiots all day.
Ulrich, dear, you just stated your opinion, making it sound as a definite truth, which maybe could be wrong.
I'll be sure not to talk about anything personal near you.
Mrcrowly dude aswell, he used to be my friend. He is nothing more than worthless crap now. How one sentence can change everything now, these days. Eh.
Uh, no I base my opinions off of actual facts. If you feel offended then I am sorry, that was never my purpose, only to validate the situation. But is it not right to question something that has yet to be proved? That is Science after all, the "modern" way of thinking. I do not depend on faith to give me answers, because it never will. Just a simple belief that cannot be proven. That's just how I feel about it.
Furthermore, I did not agressively try to kill your faith or deem it false like Mrcrowly did. I just expressed what I believed in a respectable manner. He was rather radical in his attempts...I even told him he shouldn't have acted in such a disgraceful way.
Carry this argument into pms or the forums.
As for my other selections, I made them because I believe we need a few new admins. As self-centered, or whatever as it may sound, I think Ephy and myself would make a great team.
I dunno if I could deal with people trashing me all day though. I'd definitely love to give it a shot, if nothing else.
That's how YOU feel about it, did you take it into consideration? It's pointless of me to "argue" with someone that will just try to prove my beliefs wrong, it's what I think, not what you think, why try to make me change my opinion? I mean, I need no random approval of a random online person to be happy with what I think. Please, just.. pff.
With all this commotion about more moderators for EO, there's bound to be some action taken. =)
I was not striving to change your opinion. That's entirely up to you. If you hate me for what I've done, so be it. I can live with it.
But I'll respect Espii's wishes and cease the arguing, for everyone's sake. If you wish, we can settle this minor implication ingame whenever I get unjailed.
id be a kickass admin and you know it. thankfully for me i have no desire, want or need to be one. and -checks top 100- i dont think deb needs my help kicking the cow medusa's ass, and we love kas and even stepped aside so she could be #1. so you fail eo vegas.
i highly doubt any player on eo would leave their bias about their ''enemies'' behind. i hope we never see the day where someone from the EO community itself becomes an admin. i do agree we need modersation but i dont think it should come from the game. every good police has a good informant so we should probably remain in the snitch role.
Sorry you got jailed, whatsoever. I don't hate you. And, whatever.
Ah and berdy, don't use the phrase "you fail xxx", looks bad on you.
Horrible choices for admins. They are too into the game or not strict enough. Arvid had a right to jail Ulriche, because he was cluttering up global with insults, and annoying everyone with his hypocrisy. Once again, Arvid proves to be a great administrator. He looks out for the good of the game, not 3 peoples feelings.
Ephy would make a better admin than the entire staff combined, and I know people who hate Ephy's guts who would agree.
And I think Ulrich MIGHT have needed to be jailed, though I wasn't there, and from what I've heard, he carried it out more as a personal revenge than as a moderation thing, though, again, I wasn't there, and can only go off of words of others.
Once more the moderation issue brought up :O "lack of...". I posted something similar on my blog a few days ago..
As for mods/admins promotion, I also think that top 100 players -might- not work out, not because I'm not top 100 but it doesn't seem likely. However, I once played an MMORPG where the highest level was also the 2nd ranking High Admin...he was quite active, legit, had good morals... Not that most EO players are anything like him.
My hypocrisy? That's a laugh. I'm no hypocrite. Arvid is the hypocrite, for he is to HELP people. Something that he does not do, not do what he wishes. He has his own vendetta against people. He is nothing more than a childish little dictator who wants everything HIS way. If not, jail. If not, ban. He's the podium for opression. And he's GOOD? What, because he is the only Admin that gets on? When he starts being more responsible and acceptable towards those he has obligations to, then maybe he will be a GOOD Admin. Until then, no. He has his faults and he must correct them. He has obligations to the players, those that he must uphold.
Also, what made him more pathetic was the fact of defending trash(Tunkz, yes, the same idiot who literally crippled the Endless economy with Zem when they made their debut in V15) and calling it "unnecessary". Yes, it was "unnecesary" for what Tunkz did throughout his duration on EO, but did anyone complain? No, except the players of course. The administration sickens me. It's just as bad as the US government. NEGLIGENT and PATHETIC. Have a good day. I'm not longer going to clutter up this area with deductions of the truth. That's for you to decide.
PS: Espii, don't bother trying to get me out of jail. It's a waste of your precious time. It's evident some idiots in EO's society don't want me "spouting trivial riff-raff" on Global, even if I am trying to inform those who WISH to observe. To the idiots out there: learn to be more considerate of others, and grow up for a change. Bye. I'm going to go play Starcraft. >.>
*There are two things that are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. I'm not sure about the former*-Albert Einstein
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